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Interview:
The Runaways' Joan Jett
By Perri Nemiroff: 2010-04-07 13:05:09
Joan Jett is oozing with musical passion. Not only was the rocker
eager to discuss the thrill of making a film about her experience
with The Runaways, but she even dispensed a few words of wisdom on
the grander picture, just doing what makes you happy. Back in the
1970’s nothing would make Jett happier than to have the opportunity
to make music, rock music specifically. Between her stellar natural
talents and a little guidance from producer Kim Fowley, Jett became
the rhythm guitarist for what would eventually become the first all-girl
rock band, The Runaways.
Nearly four decades later, the group is long gone, but they’re
coming back to life on the big screen. Dakota Fanning, Stella Maeve,
Scout-Taylor Compton, Alia Shawkat and, of course, Kristen Stewart
as Jett, are bringing The Runaways back in an attempt to appease long-time
fans, teach newcomers about the iconic group and, most importantly,
support the cause of living your dream.
Check out what Jett had to say about the development of The Runaways,
working with Stewart and her fervent reaction to a reporter who needs
to get with the times and recognize a woman’s power to be a
self-starter.
What was it like when they first approached you about this concept?
Well, it didn’t actually happen like that. This was sort of
in the works for years. My producer and manager, Kenny Laguna, had
been trying to help Cherie get her book published and through the
course of trying to make that happen, it didn’t get published
and then he thought maybe a TV movie might be cool. So he went that
avenue and investigated with MTV and they weren’t interested
and so finally he came around to cross the Linsons and they were interested
in pursuing it. [Director] Floria [Sigismondi] signed on, River Road
signed on and at this point it became a serious thing. Then I had
to make a decision, am I going to be involved or not, and I just felt
if anytime it was going to happen that these were real movie people
and wanted to make a real movie and I was going to give it a shot.
Some younger moviegoers know you, but not The Runaways. How does
it make you feel that the story is finally being told?
Some of them might know about me [Laughs], but I think it’s
great. Beyond it being a really interesting story in and of itself
about an all girl band trying to break down barriers and such, it’s
a real story. It really happened and I think the movie also touches
on a lot of other issues that teenagers go through whether you’re
talking about communication with family and friends and trying to
get through that whole mess that a lot of kids have difficulties with
or just exploring their sexuality. Just the whole gamut of feelings
that teenagers experience when you hit that age and it’s complicated,
it’s not always easy, there aren’t easy answers and we’re
not claiming to give you any answers. We’re just telling you
what happened to us. But of course, it is a movie so there are aspects
of it that might be embellished here and there, timeline shifts and
such, but most of the things it happened to us.
Can you really tell anybody
else what you experienced or is that just something that can only exist
between the group members?
I think you can try to explain it, but I think to a degree, unless you’ve
lived a similar experience, it’s kind of hard to really get the
sense of it, especially now since music has really changed so much.
When I started a band I knew what the goals were: I wanted to become
famous, I wanted to become a rock star, you knew that you wanted to
play big concerts, you knew you wanted to get records out, you had a
finite goal of getting signed. Now I’m not quite sure. If you’re
forming a band today, what is the goal? Is it to get signed? To get
a deal? Is it to get on TV? It seems sort of diffuse and not quite settled
on what the goal would be now, which is not bad necessarily, it’s
just unsure whereas I knew what I was looking for. If I was doing it
now, I wouldn’t quite be so sure.
You said the music industry
has changed so much. Are there any all girl bands who have encompassed
a little bit of what The Runways had?
Through the years certainly. I don’t really think you can make
comparisons and I think certainly people have drawn parallels to the
riot girl movement in the mid 90s of Bikini Kill and Babes in Toyland,
L7, a lot of bands like that had some success. The Breeders, Sleater-Kinney,
but beyond girls playing instruments, I don’t know that you can
say it’s the exact same experience really. I think we were doing
something a little bit different.
It’s different because you were doing it first. They had a
role model, you guys didn’t. You’ve worked with Kathleen
Hanna and you’ve collaborated with some of these people. Were
you able to translate things that you learned?
Yeah, I think to some degree, but I think in a way the goals of that
movement – I can’t really talk to you about the goals
of that movement because I wasn’t part of it and I didn’t
start it and I don’t know because they had a wider goal than
just inspiring girls to pick up a guitar. A lot of my big gripe is
people don’t allow teenagers to own their sexuality. Now, wherever
they land on what their preferences are, that’s not important.
It’s just the fact that they’re going through these feelings
and they feel disrespected that they’re supposed to bottle it
up, that there’s nice and neat answers for every little thing
and it’s not always that way. I think where I was coming from,
I didn’t like being told girls can’t play rock and roll
and when I’d say, ‘What do you mean girls can’t
play rock and roll?’ I’m sitting in school with girls
playing cello and violin, playing Beethoven and Bach. What do you
mean girls can’t play? Do you mean they can’t master the
instrument? No. You don’t mean that. What you mean is socially
they’re not allowed to because rock and roll implies sex and
so if you’re looking at Mick Jagger, the cover of Sticky Fingers,
you’re looking and thinking about Robert Plant and you picture
him with his shirt open, now these are my references because this
is what I grew up with and these are the single I listened to. ‘A
Whole Lotta Love,’ you go listen to that. That’s a dirty
single. This is what I grew up with and being told you can’t
do it because you’re a girl, just didn’t wash. My parents
always told me I could be anything I wanted and I believed them. I
think it’s important that you’re able to own it and women
owning their sexuality is threatening.
And let me just say this, I just did a bunch of interviews about
this movie, I was on the phone with a writer, we had a long discussion,
I proceed to read the paper yesterday and I read that Kim Fowley created
and controlled The Runaways. Now, this writer was on the phone with
me, could have checked his facts, which he was wrong 100% on all those
things he claimed. If it were a boy band, they would have never used
the word controlled,’ they would have said ‘managed.’
And I am livid at stuff like that. Still today! Yesterday I’m
reading stuff like that. It makes me tremble with anger and I think
you can see that.
So what to you want people to take away from this film?
Ultimately to follow your dreams, really. The good old cliché
of following your dreams because I really feel that people beat down
other peoples’ dreams constantly. I see it a lot with writers
when I talk to them about this. I guess a lot of writers must be told,
‘You’ll never make money that way. Get a really job!’
And a lot of writers want to write, they want to put word to paper
and that’s their dream and they’re told to do something
else, so to me, I just think it’s really important to try to
follow your dream and if for some reason life takes you a different
way, at least you made an attempt at fulfilling yourself and if you
don’t get there maybe you have some great stories to tell along
the way. But I think ultimately that’s the message that I’d
like to get out beyond just showing what The Runaways went through
and stuff like that.
What was it like working with Kristen Stewart? When did you two first
meet?
I met her actually last New Year’s Eve. She came up to see a
gig and I kind of just dumped on her about The Runaways for several
hours and asked her if she was going to cut her hair and she said,
‘Yes’ and I had great faith in that she was going to be
able to pull this off because she seemed very dedicated and genuine
and authentic. We had a few weeks before filming started to spend
some time and she picked my brain.
The final lyrics of “Dead
End Justice” are ‘But Joan I’m getting tired/I’ve
run out of fire/I can’t go any farther/But Cherie you must try
harder/Joan, I’m down, my ankle/I can’t go on, but I can’t
leave you/What do I do? /Save yourself, you know what you gotta do/Oh
my god.’ Is there a metaphor going on here with Joan and Cherie
escaping prison?
This is life imitating art. I was singing about this the other day,
not this particular song, actually maybe this particular song, but I
think The Runaways there were a lot of instances where life imitated
art, but the art imitated life too. I think that those lyrics were –
it’s very interesting, I never thought of it the way I just heard
it, you know?
After seeing the movie, it made me think to read this again.
This song we’re talking about is called ‘Dead End Justice’
and there’s this scene in the movie that has part of the song
in it, but The Runaways used to end our show with this. This was our
‘Bohemian Rhapsody’ and it was a big long song. The first
half was about kids being, you know, acting out and I guess being
bad and going to jail, going to juvenile hall and Cherie and I were
in juvenile hall. We decide to break out and we jump the guards and
we break out and during the break out Cherie falls and gets hurt and
I keep going. But on stage, Cherie used to have blood packets in her
mouth and on her shirt. When she’d come out, Lita would shoot
her with the guitar and she’d go flying and the blood would
come flying out. This is 1976, people were just – and at the
end of the show the roadies would just carry her off stage with Sandy
doing a cadence on the drums and it was really mind blowing, but I
don’t know how to answer your question.
Did it have anything to do with you feeling trapped by the band by
this point?
No. This was early on. I think this was just us creating a story about
teenagers getting in trouble and maybe we created –
You use your own names. That’s the interesting part.
Yeah. It’s kind of interesting that things turned out the way
they did.
How was it working on this film? Michael Shannon said it was all
work no play, but did you enjoy yourself?
Working with the actors and stuff was great. They were brilliant.
The whole process was brutal, but in general, working with the actors
was great.
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